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	<title>Comments on: The Plague: Power and Church Splits</title>
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		<title>By: The Marshian Chronicles &#187; Short Rounds #88</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marshian Chronicles &#187; Short Rounds #88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Church Splits - interesting thoughts from Clayton King - with a comment by me! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1086</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clayton....good article, but I wanted to point one thing out: while Carter and Clinton were members of SBC churches at the time of their election, Reagan was not. Reagan was alternately affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and the Presbyrtarian  Church (USA), but I"m pretty sure at no point was he a Baptist of any type. 

Only 4 Baptists have ever been elected President: Warren Harding, an American Baptist, and  Truman, Carter and Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clayton&#8230;.good article, but I wanted to point one thing out: while Carter and Clinton were members of SBC churches at the time of their election, Reagan was not. Reagan was alternately affiliated with the Disciples of Christ and the Presbyrtarian  Church (USA), but I&#8221;m pretty sure at no point was he a Baptist of any type. </p>
<p>Only 4 Baptists have ever been elected President: Warren Harding, an American Baptist, and  Truman, Carter and Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Byers</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Byers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear your comments, friend! 

As you know, I pastor a church gasping for breath in the wake of a devastating split.  Naturally, one of my chief concerns is with the pastoral role in creating and healing these awful schisms.  It should not be forgotten that the pastor and his band of supporters are often among the Power Parties... and not necessarily in the right.  Wearing the cloth, so to speak, certainly doesn't immune us from having an agenda.  And though the agenda of the pastor may be divinely inspired, its presentation may be quite inappropriate!  Too many of us take a divinely-mandated agenda and initiate it impatiently through divinely-condemned means!  Much nuance is required, and the patient, tedious work of communicating vision is not necessarily "compromise"--it may just be "ministry."  

The difficulty is knowing where the line of compromise is drawn, and then crossing the Rubicon courageously (though brokenly) under God's guidance.  

Your comments were super.  Helped stir my thinking...Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear your comments, friend! </p>
<p>As you know, I pastor a church gasping for breath in the wake of a devastating split.  Naturally, one of my chief concerns is with the pastoral role in creating and healing these awful schisms.  It should not be forgotten that the pastor and his band of supporters are often among the Power Parties&#8230; and not necessarily in the right.  Wearing the cloth, so to speak, certainly doesn&#8217;t immune us from having an agenda.  And though the agenda of the pastor may be divinely inspired, its presentation may be quite inappropriate!  Too many of us take a divinely-mandated agenda and initiate it impatiently through divinely-condemned means!  Much nuance is required, and the patient, tedious work of communicating vision is not necessarily &#8220;compromise&#8221;&#8211;it may just be &#8220;ministry.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The difficulty is knowing where the line of compromise is drawn, and then crossing the Rubicon courageously (though brokenly) under God&#8217;s guidance.  </p>
<p>Your comments were super.  Helped stir my thinking&#8230;Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Ferwerda</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Ferwerda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Clayton...when it comes to the devastation caused by those on a power trip in our churches and ministries, I couldn't agree more. I had an article recently posted on Crosswalk on this very topic. Feel free to post the link if you feel your readers will relate. It's called "Pit Bull Ministry," and here's the link: http://www.crosswalk.com/pastors/11565057/
Have a great day!
Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Clayton&#8230;when it comes to the devastation caused by those on a power trip in our churches and ministries, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I had an article recently posted on Crosswalk on this very topic. Feel free to post the link if you feel your readers will relate. It&#8217;s called &#8220;Pit Bull Ministry,&#8221; and here&#8217;s the link: <a href="http://www.crosswalk.com/pastors/11565057/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crosswalk.com/pastors/11565057/</a><br />
Have a great day!<br />
Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Louie Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clayton.

Glad to see you are tackling this tough topic - more power to you!

I have to say though that in my experience I haven't seen many Baby Boomers (I'm one) who are spoiled by getting their way all the time. If anything it's the reverse, or has been until lately. In all of my ministries it was always the Boomers wanting to update the music, etc. They in turn were held back by the older generation saying they can't do it, they have to think about the elderly, etc.

Now that we Boomers are rapidly becoming the elderly I'm hoping and praying we don't repeat history!  But I suppose many of us will. 

I've been through a church split and several church fights, and you are right - THEY ARE UGLY!  Here's hoping your posts will help heal some of the wounds left from them, and maybe even stop a few right in their tracks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clayton.</p>
<p>Glad to see you are tackling this tough topic - more power to you!</p>
<p>I have to say though that in my experience I haven&#8217;t seen many Baby Boomers (I&#8217;m one) who are spoiled by getting their way all the time. If anything it&#8217;s the reverse, or has been until lately. In all of my ministries it was always the Boomers wanting to update the music, etc. They in turn were held back by the older generation saying they can&#8217;t do it, they have to think about the elderly, etc.</p>
<p>Now that we Boomers are rapidly becoming the elderly I&#8217;m hoping and praying we don&#8217;t repeat history!  But I suppose many of us will. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been through a church split and several church fights, and you are right - THEY ARE UGLY!  Here&#8217;s hoping your posts will help heal some of the wounds left from them, and maybe even stop a few right in their tracks!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - this was such a straightforward wake up call for today's church.  I have just recently went through this type of thing - the pastor was being ousted because the "power group" was unhappy and I was told I was next.  It was amazing as I look back on it that adults really can act like children with and adults pull of money and a vote.  The saddest part of all of this foolishness is not only the hurt that is left in the aftermath but ---- the church's testimony to a community that needs a lighthouse shining God's love.  We MUST take back our mission and reach the world and not play church until we want to take our toys home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow - this was such a straightforward wake up call for today&#8217;s church.  I have just recently went through this type of thing - the pastor was being ousted because the &#8220;power group&#8221; was unhappy and I was told I was next.  It was amazing as I look back on it that adults really can act like children with and adults pull of money and a vote.  The saddest part of all of this foolishness is not only the hurt that is left in the aftermath but &#8212;- the church&#8217;s testimony to a community that needs a lighthouse shining God&#8217;s love.  We MUST take back our mission and reach the world and not play church until we want to take our toys home.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Meditation:Who&#8217;s Church Is It? &#171; Now! Leadership!</title>
		<link>http://claytonking.com/the-plague-power-and-church-splits/#comment-1027</link>
		<dc:creator>Morning Meditation:Who&#8217;s Church Is It? &#171; Now! Leadership!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This&#160; isn&#8217;t my Church, I just work here&#8230;sometimes we can let our emotions get in the way of what the Lord is trying to do. I can&#8217;t let myself get attached to any assignment, title or way of doing things because this is not my Church, I just work here.&#160;  The Church belongs to Jesus Christ. The real question is, “Will I set aside my personal preferences in order to see the body of Christ grow and mature, reaching the lost in our community and building the kingdom worldwide?” If I am unwilling to set aside my personal preferences, that attitude will transform into an ugly, evil sense of entitlement, which will lead me to get rid of anyone I disagree with. (via clayton king) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This&nbsp; isn&#8217;t my Church, I just work here&#8230;sometimes we can let our emotions get in the way of what the Lord is trying to do. I can&#8217;t let myself get attached to any assignment, title or way of doing things because this is not my Church, I just work here.&nbsp;  The Church belongs to Jesus Christ. The real question is, “Will I set aside my personal preferences in order to see the body of Christ grow and mature, reaching the lost in our community and building the kingdom worldwide?” If I am unwilling to set aside my personal preferences, that attitude will transform into an ugly, evil sense of entitlement, which will lead me to get rid of anyone I disagree with. (via clayton king) [...]</p>
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